right at the arm on the transmission. But as with even the hydromatics, it's getting hard to actually find anyone that works on them. It's an Armstrong Siddeley 346 with a Borg Warner DG fitted. Please check out our Shipping Fluid became too hot during the highway run thus reducing my Sign up for a new account in our community. (BW DG150M/BW DG250) also known as Three Band Borg-Warner. available. Hi, I am new to the site and was looking for some advice. I'm new to transmissions, particularly automatics, so pardon my paranoia. ]============================== This isn't a P6 question, I'm afraid, but, rather relates to a car that one of my good friends has acquired. We no longer send out rebuilt automatic transmissions unless we are Divco Trucks, 1951-67 Jaguars, 1949-56 Packards, 105-56 Nash Western New York Chapter I imagine that Hudson contracted with GM for the hydramatic because they were a little cheaper per unit, if for no other reason that they were so common. And using the hold on second gear became second nature to me. Moral of the story, keep whichever transmission you have leak free and properly adjusted and you will be fine, Oh BTW, I have a recall notice from Hudson which discusses a change in the dipstick for the BW. Our Chain Drives achieve 99%+ efficiency in most conditions with proven NVH in OE systems. Clipboard(0) Please select manufacturer, transmission or type or enter a part number. The Jaguar is basically a driver, if I can get its leaks sealed up, it won't be a restoration project until the Roadster has been on the road awhile and the bank account recovered from that. will refund excess shipping charges based on how I can combine items grand rapids, mi., United States Contents copyright 2004-2019 Studebaker Drivers Club, Inc. All rights reserved. Borg-Warner 3 band transmission - Charlie Tranny leather shaft seals and are 70+ years old. Ford Motor Company is a client of ours and we do a lot of work for Ford Automatic Transmission Operations (ATO). Any year. Steve in Las Vegas I have a replacement dipstick and the full mark is a bit higher,  So apparently there was a problem and it was looked after. Gregory Borg-Warner Trophy® Awarded to 2023 Indianapolis 500 Winner Josef Newgarden. Borg-Warner 3 band transmission. The just returned from a family vacation this afternoon in the MK2 and also you could braze a BorgWarner. After looking at your illustration, your soultion to the leak is not in what you have shown, but what is not shown. I’m led On hot days, after the engine has really warmed up, the shifting into third is rougher. Before you do any dismantling, check the governor operation with the I have the opportunity to replace it with a rebuilt 1955 DG-250M with a low-gear start. Well weather and family issues have stalled the progress. –Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php –. Fatco Transmission Parts 800-524-0485 (dg-250 kits and parts) and for tech data: http://patriot.net/~jonroq/BWtrans.html. Borg Warner automatic transmission, model DG250 - SC Parts Complete electrohydraulic control modules, DualTronic™ Dual Clutch Modules Product Sheet, Permanently Engaged Starter Clutch with Dual Mass Flywheel Integration Product Sheet, Wet clutch modules for all required torque ranges, Variants with integrated damper including, Dry Dual Mass Flywheel suitable for all transmission architectures (DCT/DHT/CVT/MT/AMT), Variable spring absorber to support downsizing,  engine downspeeding and cylinder deactivation, Flexibility to meet large range of drive ratios, High tolerance for center distance variation, Quiet operation: Best in class NVH Performance. Name of the transmission, 2. If you are fortunate enough to have a BW auto in your car, you will get better economy, a quitter ride, due tot the lock up converter,  and much nicer shift points. 15 minutes. page, Bands I recently had the transmission rebuilt grgrinder (grgrinder) October 9, 2007, 2:59am #1 I own a 1961 XK150 with an automatic transmission. From: owner-saloons@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-saloons@jag-lovers.org] rebuild and should only be attempted by someone who has experience grand rapids, mi., United States, – CHURCHILL . Copyright © 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. Note the lack of detail on how the cable connects to this, and no mention in the image or the parts list of any seals other than parts 36 (Gasket, between housing and extension) and 38 (Gasket between housing and cover) in the image. The model of the vehicle, 5. Before the rebuild it did------FILL IN THE That is the only image I have found of it. To: saloons@jag-lovers.org BorgWarner DG (101.4 KB) Download: Part # Gus Souza was one of the presenters captured on video. HET Tech Adviser on Hudson Jets 1953 & 1954 xkemk2man –Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]– But the problems with the Hydro seem to be easier to live with. CBW IA CBW 38 CBW 2B CBW 5 CBW 7 CBW 8A . BW DG 150/250 (1950-1967) Downloads. but now we have a new problem that the technician hasn’t been to Failing that, try Pegasus racing or such. The unfamiliar cannot be any good, right? I was wondering if anyone has ever 3.8S-type ( with DG250 )– My father's Wolseley 6/99 had a BW DG with intermediate speed hold. I’m currently running Mercon III ATF and, – Borg Warner DG 150-M Automatic Transmission - ProBoards Electric pressure switch on rear of case is the actuator for the "No-Rol" (brake) Solenoid. So here's the first Ford/BW connection. In the mean time I have measured the various dimensions of the Intermediate Speed Hold Solenoid assembly and will likely just punch my own seals, as I have the punches and material isn't that hard to come by. [Saloon-lovers] Question to Those who know the DG250 I have a BW as well as a Hydro in another. I am posting 64 S-Type TYhere is obviously a housing that holds it with only one bolt, that runs parallel to the transmission, therefore much easier to remove with limited side-t-side space in the tunnel. I'm sure the Cadillac forum or GM forum, or even the CCCA forum could direct one to more rebuilders that are out there, but you are right, Kerry. Automatic Transmission. I have been driving automatic MK saloons since 1967 when I bought my first car, a two speed automatic MK 7. Louie linkage adjustment issue. The cost of production for Hudson was already so high and profit margins low enough. gearbox very well. satisfied customer; Graham rebuilt the DG box in my car 5 years and If you need more information PM me. expand the discussion. the shipping carriers networks. Borg Warner DG-200 vs. DG-250M - Studebaker Drivers Club Forum have you tried disconnecting this switch? PDF Kirk's Auto Refitters ...the real one! shipments can take MUCH longer than normal due to delays within One will be available in South Bend in May. I am posting 30,000 miles ago and it has not spilt a drop since, and remains Before I replace the speedometer cable, is this normal, or is there something more sinister lurking in the transmission? I wonder if anyone has experienced the same problem that I have and Based upon research and recommendations of many “experts”, I changed it to Type F, which I now run in all three cars. The Alfa Selespeed pump is about the size of a pair of large coffee mugs, half of that is an accumulator. I had thought the unit could benefit but I’m concerned the fuel pump diaphragm is not made for the temps the tranny fluid develops in comparison with gasoline. The Jaguar Enthusiast's Place for cruising which I would think wouldreduce temps rather than Welcome to the SDC Forum! It’s a very sensitive arrangement. No refund for broken band cores. 2nd Generation Hud-Nut -  Automatic Transmission. 3 forward speeds & reverse DG-200/200M - Used on V8 engines (232, 224, some 259) DG-250/250M - Used on 259 President engines Some with "M" suffix were 1st gear start Early literature indicates that 10W motor oil was the correct fluid, but can be replaced with Dexron-Mercon III. Speaking of Fatco Transmission Parts, do they still have the Spring Flea Market? I find it easiest to just Failing that, some of the PAS conversions use electric pumps which can handle ATF, as do some of the more modern transmissions. Does NOT include Used in various models of 1950-56 Search by Number. I tend to think earlier comment us right - being locked up like top gear in a manual should reduce heat in the fluid? Have you looked at the Jaguar service manual for the box (E113/1 or here because I think that the saloons used the same transmission. has a suggested solution. These missing parts are not used in As an extension of friction plate and piston plate technology, we offer technical expertise and proven track record of designing and manufacturing torque converter clutch friction elements - from single facings to multiple plate configurations. BW DG 150/250 (1950-1967) - Ganzeboom (8) External Seal Kit = All What manual are you using? I am posting In reply to a message from Steve in Las Vegas sent Wed 13 Jul 2005: hi it could be the heat those trannys did not last long maybe for "The rebuilding kit I sell is a universal kit that fits all cars, This transmission is known to have been used in the following, http://www.studebaker-info.org/tech/transmission/DG/dgmaint1.html, http://www.mbca.org/forum/mercedes-historians-transmissions, Forum Software I understand the importance of the location of the shuttle valve body. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. FINALLY! The true DG/BW/Ford connection story!! - The AMC Forum For automatic transmission models. For International Shipping Rates click here, (2) Master Rebuild kit includes:  gaskets, o'rings, If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons! Now take it for a spin and see what speed and rpm it shifts up. right. Problem solved. There aren't any items in your shopping basket. However, I do have quite a bit of experience with Hydramatics, which I can say is a fine transmission. Can't say as I have ever heard of this tranny in a Hudson. The original message included these comments: I own a 1961 XK150 with an automatic transmission. I thought these trans went into a lockup mode Your country, and Your Postal (ZIP) Code. –Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]– There again, Kdancy says that he has the rebuild kits that apply to all models. you see a jump in the RPM on your tach? Popular Science did a very nice piece on the Automatic Drive in 1950. '59 MK IX, 66 3.8S, '65 'Vette roadster, '72 Ferrari 365GTC4 Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. We will rebuild your automatic In reply to a message from Elephant sent Thu 29 Jan 2015: not with a DG250, but in particular another tranny, which. Model: DG250/MJ - reconditioned, in exchange XK150 Product number: 315529 Required: 1 €12,957.22 1 Torque converter That's important these days even if gas is temporarily cheaper. miles). I thought that perhaps the Automatic Transmission –Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]– that it is connected to the gas pedal. Peter said there are external adjustments that can be made. that in your email you include 1. It took a bit of fiddling to adjust the throttle kick-down linkage and governor rod properly. Find Parts. // list policy dictates that messages be trimmed. Borg-Warner 3 Band John & Tigger (3.4 Mk 2 Auto 1966) OWC offer freewheeling with minimal power loss and excellent resistance to damage from impact shock loads. I was surprised to see my original post from 12 years ago re-surface. so I had to do my research, as I had ordered the original parts from them in the first place. Get the best deals for borg warner automatic transmission at eBay.com. search using our vehicle lookup... Poligono Las Americas Alhaurin de la Torre C.P. The Jaguar Enthusiast's Place charges, but I Any thoughts or quiet and strong. –Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]– Also The automatic worked fine until it made a clonk clonk noise and refused to go into top gear. If When properly sorted out, the DG250 box is quite a nice transmission in operation…Not bad for a vintage hydro-mechanical design. One test might involve forcing the shift using the intermediate hold - if not done already. Click on category below to jump to that section of this I never had any issue with the fluid, other than keeping it in the transmission. [Saloon-lovers] Borg Warner DG 250 gearbox - Jag-lovers Forums The outer cable housing is cracked about 6" from the transmission and it drips very steadily there, this is a serious drip, not an ocassional drip. –Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]– Powered by Invision Community. International Customers. then you just run 2 233 A C Borg Warner DG 3 Speed RWD (Hydraulic Control) 234 ILL NO. the “speed hold” switch (which drops the transmission from 3rd to 2nd); Hopefully when I pull the speedometer cable it will be something simple, if not well then I'll learn more as I go. transmission prices include a rebuilt torque converter. WAY to many Thought I'd put this info in its own thread so it doesn't get lost in the T-86 thread. and Park front Off no power –Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]– Bob's Studebaker Resource and Information Portal - DG-200 Automatic ... the three Main Shaft Sealing Rings or the Bellows Seal as they are no longer you must E-mail For transmissions: DG-150 DG-200 DG-250 Model DG. Location: DENVER Send PM #1 Transmission / Overdrive: Borg Warner DG-200 vs. DG-250M 04-18-2016, 01:17 PM Hello again! Lo and behold… the tranny now starts off in 1st '69 E-Type OTS– Any suggestions for moving this fluid or have you actually used used a pump and does it still work? [Saloon-lovers] BorgWarner 250 DG 3 band transmission shipped from Belleville, MI AFTER received from supplier(s) accelerator pedal (ie input to the gearbox from the accelerator pedal. Jag-lovers Forums I assume that the car (like the other DG 250-equipped Jaguars) also has experienced sources the way to minimise leakage in those &. John just posted that these videos are now for sale. Hi, I am new to the site and was looking for some advice. page for more information about shipping your transmission and/or torque go to the web address below: Zurdo– This was an hydraulically controlled transmission. Pete– It is not very detailed with regards to the speedometer . Model: DG250 XK140 Product number: 503868 Required: 1 €19,697.09 1 Automatic gearbox including torque converter. grgrinder Borg Warner Specialist | Automatic Gearbox Reconditioning 58 3.4 Mk1 86 Xj6, [Commercial use of subscribers e-mail addresses prohibited. sensitivity of the govener. // list policy dictates that messages be trimmed. Graham & Peter @ G.Whitehouse Autos have developed a cooler for the Powered by Vanilla. routine job for those in the trade? First more information is needed… Does your transmission serial In addition, collated packs and complete clutch systems can be provided allowing one the benefits of a single source and expertise. We design and manufacture our own high quality / performance separators for demanding applications. Doc Hubler  -  The very first post here explains that Kdancy has rebuild kits for the DG250 transmissions, and apparently has good knowledge as to what makes this transmission tic. Automatic Transmission (produced by the Borg Warner Corporation)" At least that is what is printed on the front page. We have a great online selection at the lowest prices with Fast & Free shipping on many items! ! Thanks for all of the input so far, hopefully I'll manage with some help from the forums to figure this one out and fix it myself. I can get 100's of Long-Time Borg-Warner Trophy® Sculptor William Behrends Presented with Honorary Baby Borg. One other easy Are you sure it is installed correctly? ownership of 1.5 years. These are "Air-Cooled". These people are the gurus of Borg Warner transmissions. The modules are completely assembled, bench tested, and calibrated, then shipped directly to the customers final transmission assembly operation. Brockton, MA I quizzed him about F type that should be run in these - superseding A type. The year of the vehicle, 4. DG-250/250M By downshifting to second do anyone have any suggestion what may be the solution to the problem?– millimeters thickness and weight ? In reply to a message from xkemk2man sent Wed 13 Jul 2005: Hey Brian, It's easy! I have a Borg Warner DG-250 Automatic Transmission with a leak issue. E-mail me with a list of other parts you may need for these. The Borg Warner 35 was designed for use with Type F Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF), which is far less common today than the Mercon/Dexron type. I adjusted the length of Please note!! The these boxes (all are included in the later versions of E113 such as RoadsterRich Mk10, 420G, E Type (Series 1 & 2), XJ6, XJ12, XJS, S-Type Daimler; Daimler 2.5 V8, Daimler V8 250, Sovereign, Limousine . A sing!e set of the planetary set between the revet* sun gear the of driven Shaft reduction of 209: the direction to the input shaft. I own a 1961 XK150 with an automatic transmission. the rotation speed of the governor. rebuild, click here. Jim Spencer Should the gasket start to leak on a BW pump output pressure will suffer thereby causing extra wear on the bands and clutches so the trans wears out. OWC offer freewheeling with minimal power loss and excellent resistance to damage from impact shock loads. before I can ship your part to you, due to extreme shortage of good cores. The Jaguar Enthusiast's Place Help: Drippy BW DG250 Auto Transmission! - Discussion Forums DG-250 I have or can get them I will list them for you. I hope someone offers a solution. I am in the process of a slow restoration while still driving the car. Focus can be placed on shift feel, durability, drag reduction, cost or optimization of all of these. If the tranny hasn't been taken care of properly over time, wear and time take their toll, and they don't seem to work all that well -- so the transmission is not good, right? Ambassadors, 1954 Hudsons, and  Mercedes Benzs. comments would be appreciated. Manuals Overhaul Kits/Rebuild For International Shipping Rates click here (Click to see Special Notice on this Part) DC150/DC250 Three Band Borg-Warner External Reseal Kit (8) (does NOT include ANY clutch plates or INTERNAL seals or gaskets) sent to anywhere in the lower 48 USA states via Priority Mail® (7) This is an BorgWarner designs and manufactures mechanical pressure relief check valves for high pressure systems. –Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]– Show more. I F, would a 10 degree drop in temp make any difference, or is 20 or 30 degrees required, or more? I hope Gus Souza has taken on an apprentice in rebuilding the hydramatics, and I'm sure there are others out there involved with other marques that rebuild them, as they were used in GM's cars far more than in Hudsons. lot of details, patience and experiece required to get one installed and I ended up removing the engine and transmission and having the DG250 box and torque converter rebuilt by G. Whitehouse Autos, Ltd. in the West Midlands, England. Pages from Parts Manuals. I’m happy to chime-in and close the loop on the slow shifting issue that I was experiencing all those years ago. The name of the It seems the first ones starved a bit for fluid. BorgWarner designs and manufactures high pressure proportional solenoid valves for common rail direct injection fuel systems. Combining Friction Plate and Separator technology, we offer single sided friction plates and collated packs. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Maximum operating pressure to 2,400 bars available. With the information provided it seems the linkage is the for easy access and adjustment under the car. E113/3 and E113/4.– The outer cable housing is cracked about 6" from the transmission and it drips very steadily there, this is a serious drip, not an ocassional drip. But look what I found while searching for Transmission Mount Parts My address is:  Charlie Tranny, 1043 Savage Rd., Prince George, B.C. It looks like you're new here. If the oil is running at, say, 175 deg. I expect it's like most old cars. Maybe this is why the BW has a bum rap. –Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–, To remove yourself from this list, go to stayed in the starting (2nd) gear until almost 45-50 mph. Going to try to get this written without the damn pop-up telling me there was a previous thread! Jag-lovers Forums with repair guides and consulting* for the do-it-yourselfer. jaguarjoe 54 XK 120 rdstr 1961 MKIX 94 XJ6 Ok my confusion is lessoned now. Regards, Brian '63 3.8L MK2 Saloon '69 E-Type OTS- xkemk2man For Borg-Warner Transmissions Type H and Type J points will be found invaluable Dimensions are: 8 1/2 inches width by 11 inches height by ? Pete55Tbird (rotating ones only), metal clad seals , unlined (steels) clutch plates, and No copyright notice and no copyright registration; this document is Public Domain under Rule 5 of the U.S. transmission? Any advice is appreciated. turn it on after a 15 minutes run. Due to severe disruption in the supply sources for this part, Note that the gearing is counter-clockwise, and the spirals on the shaft are the opposite, that's meant to return the oil, not pump it out, lol By the way, I looked at the same transmission in the Jag sedans, and they are identical, except for the part you'll be taking off, because it's a Lucas drive cable, the drive cable nut is different than the US models. could that be the source of the problem? @Alastair_LauenerOn Tue, 9 Oct 2007, grgrinder wrote: Hello; I feel we need more input on this before anyone can supply a of the pan and an other on the back of it. large selection professional support fast delivery The BW also has a regular parking sprag; I don't think the Hydramatics of that era had those. Victoria, Canada. High quality power transmission chains for front-wheel drive transmissions, 4WD/AWD transfer cases and Hybrid off-axis drive applications - P2, P3, P4. Seems like the changes are all about improving the effectiveness of the front band servo. on the left just above the oilpan. As I have a brake issue I'm waiting for parts on I haven't hit 3rd yet. Jetman, I don't sell the rebuild kits, I was just posting places-vendors that do sell them. I believe, but am not sure, that pumps are made to circulate auto transmission fluid in vehicles that are flat towed behind motor homes. following an extended run on the expressway (Approximately 150 I wonder if anyone has experienced the same problem that I have and Separator plates are "where the heat goes" during a shift and are another important component of the clutch system. and the dg 250 used F type fluid pajtas– lined friction clutches. Sorry 've offered more questions than answers, hopefully we can (2 new bands, clutches bellows etc) and a repair of the torque This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Used 1950-56 in Studebaker, 1954-55 in Dodge trucks, 1953-55 in International trucks and various years in Hudson, Rolls-Royce and Jaguar. –Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]– Hopefully an expert can clarify. Studebakers, 1954-55 Dodge Trucks, 1953-55, International Trucks, Various types of solenoids, including low-leak, proportional, direct-acting, on-off and pulse-width modulated valves. changes in length of the linkage, which can make big changes to the I always liked the smoothness of the BW in the Hornet plus the fact that the cars so equiped had new found fuel economy. The speed hold, the kickdown linkage via the gas pedal and West Midlands B62 9JE. E-mail There is an adjustment shown there. The original message included these comments: I have a '63 3.8L MK2 Saloon equipped with a Borg Warner DG250 Check back soon to see the changes. If you don't manage to find a copy and have any questions, I can look up the answer or email you the Take a look at the opening for the speedometer drive gear. (4) This is a cleanable screen. It has a constant steady drip of transmission fluid from the Speedometer cable. –Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php –, To remove yourself from this list, go to size of the vehicle, 6. On my car (59 MK IX), the only adjustment point of the linkage is reliable since I’ve owned the car. A bunch of old Marks, Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, [Saloon-lovers] Borg Warner DG250 Transmission ATF Cooler Inquiry. Ford/Borg-Warner transmission similarities - The AMC Forum or core refund will be forfeited. Here is a scan from the 'parts' manual for the car. For International Shipping Rates click here, Seals/Gaskets/Rings Finishing techniques are available to address the specific performance requirements of each application, such as cut and molded groove patterns, multi-segment facings and waved cored plates. Alastair Lauener operating correctly, particulary the DG250. experienced very… slow up-shifting from intermediate to direct DG250 and users, including a slightly mad dutch classic sporting All the Hydro pumps and governors are inside the case if the trans leaks, just put more fluid in it and keep going. 5.0 MB Permanently Engaged Starter Clutch with Dual Mass Flywheel Integration Product Sheet 1.0 MB One-Way Clutches (OWC) The product range covers cam, roller and sprag one-way clutches and systems. He insisted that Dexron III was the compatible replacement. I have a Jaguar Mk2 3.4 with a Borg Warner DG250 auto gearbox, which I believe is the same autobox as in the Studebakers.
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